Trey Burke anyone?

[Don Che]

looking at Trey Burke here...i wonder if Jeff could ignite Emmanual Mudiay's career.

Or maybe another PG buried on a roster somewhere that is a creator.

hell i wonder what Jeff could do with Trae Young

another PG i like is Aaron Holiday out of UCLA

i have no problem starting Frank with a PG(Preferably a tall one) and have Tim Hardaway at the 3...he seems a lot more comfortable there anyway. It will be rough playing elite wings but its not like we dominate them now

[cragganmor]

the youngest holiday might be a pretty good get. he's a tough, versatile and complete player. only question is will his size hold up vs nba defenders; i happen to thing he's going to be at least a good rotation player.

mudiay has the tools but just hasn't shown much growth over his 3 years except for his 3fg percentage, pretty good at nearly 39%. his assists, rebounds, steals, turnovers and 2fg are pretty much flat; still has not figured out the game, kind wild and reckless with the ball, doesn't make his teammates better. maybe some vet mentoring would help? he has the ability to get into the paint, just hasn't figured out the right things to do once he's there.

i'm happy to be surprised by burke's scrappiness on d, thought he might be drose bad; he's appeared to be an adequate defender. give this kid a second chance to reboot his career, he's earned it.

[spree#8]

According to a source, general manager Scott Perry, when he was with Orlando, would have taken either Burke or C.J. McCollum at No. 2 in 2013 if Cleveland had taken Victor Oladipo. Cleveland selected bust Anthony Bennett, Oladipo fell to Orlando and Burke to Utah at 9.

Perry wasn’t with the organization when Ntilikina was selected by Phil Jackson. Perry has his guy in Burke now. Two point-guard lottery picks — one an offensive specialist, one defensive — are better than one.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/a-move-th ... ntilikina/

[thewatcher]

^^exactly Spree, good call on Burke. I don't see why Nilikita's best position won't be SG. I think he'll be able to play both positions, so he could eventually start with Burke, and also play the back-up PG minutes to give playing time to lee or Dotsun. The point is that (even though it's early) Burke seems like the starting PG of the future. Now I'm really glad we didn't draft Dennis Smith 3rd.

[dcapodic]

Just curious....but what makes you think Frank would be a good SG? If anything, the talents he has shown, Length, court vision, ability to see/pass over other PG's, etc. have been more PG oriented.

Are you seeing him as a 3 and D type of guy?

[thewatcher]

^^ good question , no not 3 and d; I think he will be a superior ball-handler and passer for a SG; (instead of potentially struggling as the sole PG)we would see the benefits of Max's 2-PG line-up; I think since Burke is a prolific scorer, having a pass-first SG would provide balance. Basically I think the roles could be reversed at times. But this is all necessary primarily to accommodate the emergence of Burke.

[taowave]

If Frank's best position is shooting guard,we are back to square one..

Most obvious is we signed Timmy to a 4 year 80 mil contract,and he should be our starting 2.

Frank's height and length are negated at the 2,and as far as I can see,his athleticism is mediocre.

Ild love for Burke to start and Excel,but we will need plus defenders at the 3 and or 5..

^^exactly Spree, good call on Burke. I don't see why Nilikita's best position won't be SG. I think he'll be able to play both positions, so he could eventually start with Burke, and also play the back-up PG minutes to give playing time to lee or Dotsun. The point is that (even though it's early) Burke seems like the starting PG of the future. Now I'm really glad we didn't draft Dennis Smith 3rd.

[dcapodic]

^^ good question , no not 3 and d; I think he will be a superior ball-handler and passer for a SG; (instead of potentially struggling as the sole PG)we would see the benefits of Max's 2-PG line-up; I think since Burke is a prolific scorer, having a pass-first SG would provide balance. Basically I think the roles could be reversed at times. But this is all necessary primarily to accommodate the emergence of Burke.

Interesting thoughts watcher. So, "Max's 2-PG line-up".... Interesting way to put it but i digress.....

I know this is just fantasizing at this point, because I am not sure Burke is a prolific scorer or ever will be. I am more impressed with his ability to move, get into the paint and either finish or pass off....more tru PG skills than we have seen from anyone in a while. I have said in another thread, Burke is the best PG on this team right now, not even close but I am not sure if that is because of his talent or the lack thereof of anyone else (I need to be careful what I say or the Frank PC police will get on me, :Gotta give him 3-5 years to show anything, etc.").

But, I kinda lean towards what tao said, if you shift him over to the 2, he will go up against players of similar height, length much more often and that might negate that advantage. The game now is so position-less that this might now be relevant though

You could have a good point that he could become more of a backup to both positions but this would definitely have to be down the road. Thus far, I am trying to see what others do in his shot as I see people say it is solid but I don't see it in his play. that's why I mentioned 3andD.

But this is all necessary primarily to accommodate the emergence of Burke.

This part I really like. You have to reward good play and I would like to see Burke get his chance to either show he has developed or that he is just a flash. For now though, I don't think they need to try and find a place to "force" Frank into. Frank will continue to get his time and based on that, he can get more or less in the future.

[taowave]

Good post DC...

One thing I like about Frank is his court vision.Not sure it would be maximized at the 2. And does anyone see Frank suddenly becoming a scorer or having that mindset at the 2???

Yes,the Frank PC police are very sensitive to Frank's emotional and physical well being..We need a little empathy on the board

[Don Che]

Burke is not the PG of the future...hes just not that good. lets not sweat his 2 good games.

Burke has value...as a back up..he's our Patty Mills.

Burkes success shows us that his "type" of PG can do well here and if Lee can play the 2...so can Frank

If we can get a PG ike Burke but with real skill or a sick athlete...then I'm good with adding him to the core


but I'm also totally good with Frank being our PG of the future and get a wing that can be a playmaker alongside him.

I do think that this does raise a question on how Jeff envisions his team also....and I've preached from jump.....we only make strides if the Mills/Perry/Jeff/KP are all on the same page...and if a PG of a certain mold fits Jeff's plan...im willing to go that route to make it all work...if thats really what he wants.

[dcapodic]

Burke is not the PG of the future...hes just not that good. lets not sweat his 2 good games.

Burke has value...as a back up..he's our Patty Mills.

Burkes success shows us that his "type" of PG can do well here and if Lee can play the 2...so can Frank

If we can get a PG ike Burke but with real skill or a sick athlete...then I'm good with adding him to the core


but I'm also totally good with Frank being our PG of the future and get a wing that can be a playmaker alongside him.

I do think that this does raise a question on how Jeff envisions his team also....and I've preached from jump.....we only make strides if the Mills/Perry/Jeff/KP are all on the same page...and if a PG of a certain mold fits Jeff's plan...im willing to go that route to make it all work...if thats really what he wants.

These types of statements:

Burke is not the PG of the future...hes just not that good.

I don't get. You can say:

but I'm also totally good with Frank being our PG of the future

Though he has not shown much yet because it is said that the needs tome to develop. I can go along with the time to develop part but to be able to proclaim to being ok with him being the PG of the future, I am not so sure.

Also, there is the big push on giving Frank time to develop. Burke was not awful his first years in the league, he more just did not live up to his draft spot. He actually has decent numbers and why can you be so hopeful on Frank's development but not consider that maybe Burke just needed time and has now found something?!?

Could you agree that at this moment in time, his skills far outweigh Frank's? If so, he deserves a chance to play and let the chips fall where they may.

[thewatcher]

I didn't watch trey burke in college, the pros or the G league. Iv'e seen him play 3 games. And a few of those games were against the worst teams. However, my read and feel for what i saw has never been stronger. This guys about to go on a tear. he will be starter after the allstar game. , I'm trying to decide who Burke reminds me more of Iverson or Tony parker.
We had a team meeting before the Suns game. Guys came out and competed on defense. We're about to go on a playoff run.

But again, when Frank fills out and gets a lot better he will become a really good lock-down 3 and d guy who can also create and dish. Tim's going to have to handle the SF spot which could be a problem a
agaist SF beasts, Beasley at PF and KP at center. Kanter is NOT opting out unless he comes to terms beforehand on a extention-pay-cut, and he isn't being traded. I like him backing up the Center position and maybe starting.

[taowave]

Watcher you lost me..

Are you saying Frank at the 3? Is that what you meant by good lock down 3 and D guy?

I get hes 19,but the kid really lacks athleticism..That concerns me much more than his shooting 30% from 3,and 37% from inside the arc..

Are you slotting hardaway at the 3 for now??

KP to the 5??

Im guessing Lee at the 2?

That was a very cerebral post

I didn't watch trey burke in college, the pros or the G league. Iv'e seen him play 3 games. And a few of those games were against the worst teams. However, my read and feel for what i saw has never been stronger. This guys about to go on a tear. he will be starter after the allstar game. , I'm trying to decide who Burke reminds me more of Iverson or Tony parker.
We had a team meeting before the Suns game. Guys came out and competed on defense. We're about to go on a playoff run.

But again, when Frank fills out and gets a lot better he will become a really good lock-down 3 and d guy who can also create and dish. Tim's going to have to handle the SF spot which could be a problem a
agaist SF beasts, Beasley at PF and KP at center. Kanter is NOT opting out unless he comes to terms beforehand on a extention-pay-cut, and he isn't being traded. I like him backing up the Center position and maybe starting.

[thewatcher]

Yes. Lee at the 2 and Tim at 3. In a few years Frank will be a good 2 at minimum.

[taowave]

I like Burke,and he addresses our weaknesses while no worse a defender than Jack..

Only issue I see is Kanter and Burke are not first team All D..

We really need to upgrade at the 3

Yes. Lee at the 2 and Tim at 3. In a few years Frank will be a good 2 at minimum.

[nazrmohamed]

I didn't watch trey burke in college, the pros or the G league. Iv'e seen him play 3 games. And a few of those games were against the worst teams. However, my read and feel for what i saw has never been stronger. This guys about to go on a tear. he will be starter after the allstar game. , I'm trying to decide who Burke reminds me more of Iverson or Tony parker.
We had a team meeting before the Suns game. Guys came out and competed on defense. We're about to go on a playoff run.

But again, when Frank fills out and gets a lot better he will become a really good lock-down 3 and d guy who can also create and dish. Tim's going to have to handle the SF spot which could be a problem a
agaist SF beasts, Beasley at PF and KP at center. Kanter is NOT opting out unless he comes to terms beforehand on a extention-pay-cut, and he isn't being traded. I like him backing up the Center position and maybe starting.

You really need to calm down man. Burke is essentially a bum. I don't wanna ruin his little run but you just aren't a good team of you're making decisions with Trey Burke in mind. It would be like making decisions with that annoying little guy on the Maverick, forgot his name and Burke is like a lite version of that guy.

[taowave]

Lol...which little annoying guy on the Mavs??

They have a couple.....

Burke is better than anything else we have at the 1..

So far,I like what I see...

Burke's D and size is my concern...He really needs to be 205 ish...

[NYGM]

Now Burke is the "PG of the future"?

The guy was replaced by the wizards with BJennigs in a very awful season for TPM..

Now he's scoring some against bad teams, let's wait at least the rest of the season to promote him to a "PG of the future" status..

One thing that worries me about Burke is his defense, can he at least be adequate for a whole season?.. I'm tired of high volume scorers who can't or won't play defense.. At least KP is elite rim protector..

He needs to show that he's vastly improved like THJ or something along those lines..

Let's watching him play good defense against the Irving's of the league first..

[NYGM]

Lol...which little annoying guy on the Mavs??

They have a couple.....

Burke is better than anything else we have at the 1..

So far,I like what I see...

Burke's D and size is my concern...He really needs to be 205 ish...

JJ Barea?

[taowave]

yogi ferrell?

JJ Barea?