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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby NYGM » January 8, 2018, 11:53 pm

I say give him a chance.. Sessions is not in the future plans here..

Also the NBA is no G-League.. Burke needs to show serious improvement to earn his PT IMO..

Once you got to the big leagues everything comes harder..

Hopefully he can became our spark from the bench and our 3rd guard if he plays well and THJ takes longer to get back...
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby jhovarules » January 9, 2018, 1:05 pm

Just a nice tid bit...remember...Trey Burke and THJ played together at Michigan. At the time of their draft Trey was considered to be the better player and was picked ahead of THJ if I am not mistaken.
Also they had good chemistry in college...let's see what this turns into...could be a very nice mix for the Knicks. Verrrry interested in seeing what develops when Trey is finally signed and starts playing.
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby StevoStarks » January 9, 2018, 2:29 pm

All I have to say is, why the fuck not at this point?
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby NewlyKnicked » January 10, 2018, 5:09 am

we need a guy able to drive pretty bad and trey seems to be that type of player. he could give us good minutes and a nice alternative from Jack and Frank depending on the game situation.

isn't it today the deadline after which the other teams can try to get him?
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby spree#8 » January 10, 2018, 7:49 am

He is a free agent, so anyone could've made an offer at anytime. What you probably heard of is the date when teams can sign players to ten-day contracts. That window started last Friday.
But it seems as if he is negotiating with us right now.
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby NYGM » January 10, 2018, 8:34 am

StevoStarks wrote:All I have to say is, why the fuck not at this point?


Agree.. :?
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby NYGM » January 10, 2018, 8:35 am

NewlyKnicked wrote:we need a guy able to drive pretty bad and trey seems to be that type of player. he could give us good minutes and a nice alternative from Jack and Frank depending on the game situation.

isn't it today the deadline after which the other teams can try to get him?


That change of pace guard is definitely needed.. I'm not sure about Burke being that guy, I think he needs a lot more of pass ability..
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby NewlyKnicked » January 10, 2018, 9:43 am

spree#8 wrote:He is a free agent, so anyone could've made an offer at anytime. What you probably heard of is the date when teams can sign players to ten-day contracts. That window started last Friday.
But it seems as if he is negotiating with us right now.

Oh, ok, didn't get that. I thought Burke was protected somehow.

I just looked into what was so special about the 1/10 and it seems that it's the start of the GLeague Showcase (until the 13th) and it is, as you said, when teams can begin signing 10-day contracts.

I really hope we end up getting Trey on the roster and see if he and THJ can revive their old bromance
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby NewlyKnicked » January 10, 2018, 9:44 am

NYGM wrote:That change of pace guard is definitely needed.. I'm not sure about Burke being that guy, I think he needs a lot more of pass ability..

I'm also cautious in my enthusiasm on Burke. He's killing it in the GL but hasn't confirmed thus far upstairs. However he adresses one of our needs (even two as tao said with the 3pt) and he's still giving 5.3 apg which tends to show he isn't a gunner only in it for the scoring title. Plus he played with THJ. So, it cant hurt to give the guy a chance, either if a roster spots opens up with trades or Sessions is cut
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby StevoStarks » January 10, 2018, 3:29 pm

Looks like we don't have to wait much longer, and they're doing exactly what we discussed. When has that EVER happened in the front office? A logical move? I'm floored.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/08/knicks-nearing-deal-with-g-league-point-guard-sensation/

Knicks nearing deal with G League point guard sensation

The Knicks didn’t want lightning-quick Westchester Knicks point guard Trey Burke to head to Wednesday’s G-League Showcase, a four-day event in Mississauga, Ontario, where all of the league’s talent will be on display.

They didn’t want Burke to have a chance to show what the Knicks already know: He’s ready for an NBA roster.

Burke, the G-League Player of the Month for December, is working on a deal to join the Knicks, who will have to make room on their 15-man roster, according to an NBA source.

The Knicks are expected to waive point guard Ramon Sessions, who lost his starting job after the season’s third game, if they can’t find a trade for the veteran. Yahoo first reported the Burke negotiations.

Burke attended the final week of Knicks training camp, but didn’t have enough time to get into a game. Jarrett Jack became the starter, with top-pick Frank Ntilikina as a trusty backup. But the Knicks are looking for another penetrating point guard, and Sessions didn’t excel when he had an opportunity.

Burke, a former Jazz lottery pick, is only 25. With Westchester he is averaging 26.6 points, 5.4 assists, 3.3 rebounds and 1.9 steals, but scouts say his defense isn’t up to snuff. At 6-foot-1, he’s also a small point guard — which could give the Knicks matchup problems.

Burke was a teammate of Tim Hardaway Jr. at Michigan, and they are friends. Burke averaged 10.6 points and 3.6 assists in 267 career games for Utah and Washington from 2013 to 2017. He was the ninth pick of the 2013 draft and an NBA all-rookie selection. Last season, Burke played in 57 games for the Wizards.

Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek was impressed during training camp with how Burke picked up the schemes right away, but, at the time, the Knicks were committed to Sessions, Jack and Ntilikina.

“He’s a guy who can penetrate and create things that way,” Hornacek said in October. “He can set up the offense and break guys down. He’s a good shooter when he gets a good look. And he’s been around the league. He can play.”
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby spree#8 » January 10, 2018, 3:39 pm

NewlyKnicked wrote:Oh, ok, didn't get that. I thought Burke was protected somehow.

I just looked into what was so special about the 1/10 and it seems that it's the start of the GLeague Showcase (until the 13th) and it is, as you said, when teams can begin signing 10-day contracts.

I really hope we end up getting Trey on the roster and see if he and THJ can revive their old bromance


The 5th January was the day when teams were allowed to start to sign players to ten-day-contracts, but the special thing about the 10th is that it is the day when all non-guaranteed contracts in the league that haven't cleared waivers (48 hours waiting period, so everyone not waived until January 8) become guaranteed for the rest of the year. That's why some movement was expected until Monday and now teams will start to fill some of the newly open roster spots with 10-day contracts. The G-league showcase is a good place for lesser known prospects than Trey Burke (who got picked 9th in 2013) and it is a place where lots of management personnel is expected to hang out in the next few days scouting those lesser known players, which could lead to substantial trade talk going on, because all of those GMs in the same place.

The hold-up could be the Knicks being involved in such trade talk right now, trying to clear the center logjam and trying to create a roster spot without simply waiving a player. As long as the Knicks and Burke's agent have agreed to give the Knicks time until the weekend to create a roster spot, I guess we should be fine.

I was giving Burke consideration before we signed Jack, so I would be pretty happy if he gets on the roster now. Another interesting player age 25.
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby spree#8 » January 10, 2018, 4:38 pm

BTW: here part of a month old piece written by Trey Burke himself on his decision to play in the G-League instead of signing with OKC.
http://gleague.nba.com/news/nba-journey-trey-burke/
...Then summer time comes this past summer and I had another decision to make. OKC was on the table, Houston was on the table, New Orleans wanted me to come work out.

The situation in OKC kind of reminded me of what it was like in Washington, where I would go and play behind Westbrook. The GM here with the Knicks, Scott Perry — who’s a Michigan guy as well — we talked and he said, ‘hey man, you have the opportunity to come down to Westchester and really run the team. We’re not expecting you to be down there super long, but that’s all on you.’

I went that route, and everyone then says, ‘why did you come to the G League?’ I think it was the first time where I was really in charge of my career. I was willing to go down and play my way into a position that I was looking to get into. I believe with the young talent here and the fans that just love basketball — I saw it as a place where I could have a lot of fun playing.

There was a point in time where I just was not having fun with basketball. I was waking up and looking at it as a job. I kind of slowed down everything and looked myself in the mirror and asked myself who I wanted to be. I knew New York City would be a great place to continue my career. I was able to focus on my life outside of basketball as well. I got married, and comfortable here.

I wanted to start from scratch and I’m not ashamed of that. I think the sky is the limit from here. I’m getting better every day and my habits are great. They weren’t great when I came into the league and I think my wife and my support system has a lot to do with that.

I deserve to be in the NBA because I respect the game and I’m an ultimate competitor. I’m going to play at 110 percent every night. I think that everyone that comes to our games can see that, the love that I have for the game. At the same time, I believe that I have a great competitive nature – anyone wants to play with that.

I’m 25-years old and have a lot of basketball left in me. I still believe that I am one of the best scorers in the world, and that has to be my mentality. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but I believe that given the opportunity I could help a team win at the NBA level. I knew it wasn’t going to just be given to me, but I know that where I’m at in my career.

I’m ready to go and get it. I’m all in.
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby spree#8 » January 10, 2018, 4:43 pm

A little update on the situation:
Ian Begley
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Another indication that Trey Burke's signing with the Knicks is imminent: he is not with the Westchester Knicks for the G League showcase in Canada this week. He's on the roster but the team says he's out with hip soreness and is not with them at the moment.
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby taowave » January 10, 2018, 8:56 pm

Looking forward to Burke joining us.

Trey Burke opens up on his past failings and renewed mission to resurrect NBA career


WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- How, exactly, does a No. 9 overall draft pick fall out of the NBA after four years? At the Westchester County Center on Sunday, one person suggested that Trey Burke didn't have his priorities straight after starring at Michigan. The National Player of the Year and supposed can't-miss prospect took his position for granted, needed to be humbled and didn't focus on basketball the way he should have. Burke needed to take his craft more seriously and approach it with more maturity. He was not ready to be a professional.

And Burke's self-criticism continued: "That Trey Burke -- there was a lot of distractions going on with that Trey Burke. That Trey Burke was 19 years old. This Trey Burke now, I'm married, I'm in the house, I'm not worried about things that a lot of players worry about."

Burke got married in October and turned 25 in November. His last couple of months have been spent dominating the NBA G League and having fun with his 3-year-old son. In 26 games for the Westchester Knicks, he is averaging 26.6 points, 5.3 assists and 1.9 steals, shooting 48.8 percent and making 41.6 percent of his 3-pointers. He was named Player of the Month for December, and Westchester is at the top of the standings heading into the NBA G League Showcase, which begins Wednesday.

His strong play in Westchester naturally led to rumors that he might not be there long. It has been hard for him not to think about teaming up with ex-Wolverines teammate Tim Hardaway Jr. again and playing his home games at Madison Square Garden, though he has been trying not to get ahead of himself.


"It's kind of hard to do that in New York," Burke told CBS Sports in a candid interview. "Even places that I go, people knowing me, you're hearing it everywhere. You have your support system, your family talking about it. It's a little tough. But we got the Austin Spurs tonight. It's not like I should look forward to who the [New York] Knicks are playing next."

The next day, Yahoo Sports' Shams Charania reported that Burke is close to a deal with New York. It is expected to be completed once the team either waives or trades veteran Ramon Sessions, according to the New York Post's Marc Berman. If he has indeed played his last game for Westchester, it is because he had the right mindset when he got there.

After last season ended, Burke was burnt out on the game he had been playing since he was three years old. When the Washington Wizards signed Brandon Jennings two-thirds of the way through the season, he lost his spot as John Wall's backup. The Wizards came one win away from the conference finals, but Burke played only 20 garbage-time minutes throughout their entire playoff run.

This was not how he envisioned his career going, so he needed to collect his thoughts. Why did he stop waking up at 5 a.m. to work out, then returning to the gym later in the day, the way he did in high school? As a man of God, why had his faith wavered? Why was he getting in his own way?


"I had to look myself in the mirror and be real with myself," Burke said. "I had to kind of stop lying to myself about I should be here, I should be this, this team should put me in this position when I wasn't doing everything necessary to put myself in that position."

Burke had to remember why he fell in love with basketball in the first place. He knew NBA executives and coaches wanted him to be more than just a scorer, so he had been trying to walk a tightrope when it came to aggressiveness. He knew he wasn't playing with joy like the guy people saw in college, the attacking guard who some argued should be the top pick in the draft and earned comparisons to Chris Paul.

In the G League, Burke has been himself again: getting in the paint consistently, creating shots for himself and for his teammates. He has tried to be a leader on and off the court and a pest on defense. All the while, people have been asking him why he is not in the NBA. He almost signed a non-guaranteed deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder in September. There was interest from the Houston Rockets and New Orleans Pelicans, too.

"A lot of people don't know that I chose this route," Burke said. "I had some opportunities presented to me before the season and, bottom line, I didn't want to take a two-way deal. I wanted to come down here and recreate my brand on and off the court, show teams what I really can do if I have the opportunity to run a team."


Watching Burke push the ball and take no-hesitation jumpers, his hair in cornrows and a black sleeve on his arm, it is hard not to think about his childhood idol, Allen Iverson. In the G League, scoring sometimes appears too easy for him. The question is not whether he is talented enough for the NBA, but whether or not his renewed confidence will translate when he gets back there.

"When I saw him here, it's a statement, you know what I'm saying?" Westchester assistant coach Keith Bogans said. "He's on a mission. He knows what he wants to do. He came in with a goal. He had a blueprint. Obviously it's paying off."


Standing near the baseline before 1,825 fans filed in to see Westchester's 95-92 victory over Austin, Burke finally sounded at peace with his turbulent time with the Utah Jazz. After finishing third in Rookie of the Year voting in 2014, Burke lost his starting job to Dante Exum halfway through his second year. The next season, with Exum injured, Raul Neto and Shelvin Mack started over him. Before he knew it, he had gone from a part of the Jazz's core to an afterthought.

At the time, Burke felt Utah was trying to break him. He fell out of favor with fans who had high hopes for him and wound up being traded to Washington for a future second-round pick. Looking back, he thinks he should have found a way to stay true to himself, even if the situation was imperfect.


"I am a playmaker naturally," Burke said. "Guys ask, 'Are you a point guard? Are you a shooting guard?' I believe I am a point guard and a shooting guard. I believe I'm both: a combo guard, you might say. I believe I can run a team as a point guard, though, and I think that's the biggest thing. When you have the friction between me and the fans, I think that's really what it was. I blame it on myself now. I can look back and I can say that it was me rather than them because I changed the way I played for the way they wanted me to play. That should never happen."

With the Wizards, Burke knew he was going to be playing behind Wall, a four-time All-Star and "big brother to me," he said. While he learned a lot from Wall, Burke felt he was held back by being in his shadow. He wanted the responsibility that comes with running the whole show. He still does.

"With your career, you have years on top of years on top of years to really establish who you are," Burke said. "Even if you get established as a certain player, which I did in my first three years -- of a role player, a guard coming off the bench -- you can always change that. It all starts within, though. It all starts with your habits, it all starts with how serious you are about changing it.

"I'm at that point. I'm not a role player. I believe I still have a ways to go, but I do believe that I'm a starting guard in [the NBA]. I do believe that I'ma be an All-Star. I do believe these things in my heart."


The tricky part is that G League call-ups are generally not afforded the luxuries of major minutes and a green light. Burke is well aware that he will have to thrive in a limited NBA role before getting a bigger one. "It's called trusting the process," he said, causing a teammate within earshot to shout out Philadelphia 76ers star Joel Embiid.

Burke said he has learned to embrace that process and his past failures have made him better prepared for his next shot. Now that he is excited about what the future holds, he can feel pride, not shame, when he tells his story.

"In the past there was disappointment and frustration," Burke said. "But I knew it would turn around. It was all dependent on me and how I approached things. But going forward, where I am now, I'm very proud. I think the sky's the limit. I think I've been through a lot of the worst of the worst when it comes to being a top-10 pick. I believe that it's only up from here."


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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby noypi » January 11, 2018, 6:48 am

If we're gonna bring up Burke we need to trade Sessions to a contender looking for some pg depth. Get a 2nd round pick in return.
“I’m still chasing a championship, I’m just chasing it here in New York,’’ Anthony said. “I’ve come to peace with that. I’m doing it in my own way on my own time.”

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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby NewlyKnicked » January 11, 2018, 7:16 am

noypi wrote:If we're gonna bring up Burke we need to trade Sessions to a contender looking for some pg depth. Get a 2nd round pick in return.

not sure sessions value is at its highest. and even if he was worth a 2nd rounder, what leverage could we possibly have to do that? why would anyone give us a 2nd rounder if they can just wait a bit to get the same thing for free?
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby spree#8 » January 11, 2018, 9:19 am

No one will offer something for Sessions. If we trade someone to create a roster spot, it has to be somenone higher in the pecking order.
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby cragganmor » January 11, 2018, 10:46 am

Just release sessions. There's no market where multiple bidders square off against each other. Waiting to include RS in a package exposes us to trey signing elsewhere.

We need some speed, p&r from the 1 in our mix.
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby Don Che » January 11, 2018, 11:36 am

the fact that we are even trying to trade sessions and/or kyle it proves to me just how delusional they might be lol
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Re: Trey Burke anyone?

Postby Muzhik1 » January 11, 2018, 1:42 pm

Trey Burke will be useful, IF HE PLAYS.

If he is given garbage time role in favor of Jack, then he won't make much difference.

The question is whether Hornacek is prepared to reduce and downgrade the role of Jarret Jack.

Even if Burke takes Baker's minutes, he won't make much impact. He needs to start or play major minutes.
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