shakespeare wrote:Tao. I feel you. But give me an example of an actually NBA trade that occurred. You're telling me what YOU would've done. Tell me what an actual GM did.
taowave wrote:I would,
but Spree will just add a new constraint and present the 2 worst traders in history to validate his point.
You guys didn't like the Parrish trade which involved swapping the number 1 pick for the number 3, which turned out to be McHale.
Here is an article that supports your cause....
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-p ... ades-ever/
The moral of the story is to make the picks protected unless you are getting a talent like Kyrie..Or maybe,dont trade number 1's for guys over 28..Im sure we can paint any picture we like
Tao, you should really work on your game. Instead of arguing with yourself about an argument that was never made, simply saying "I was wrong", "I misunderstood", "Got you now" would help. Also insulting other posters by twisting their words or saying "you are idiotic" just because you seemingly don't understand what they wrote about is bad style.
I said, that a guideline for a good GM is to never trade first round picks
while being bad. To decipher this for you: that implies 1) that I'm talking about the own picks of that team (because otherwise being bad doesn't matter) and 2) that I'm talking about future first-round picks (because once again only then "being bad" represents a risk at the moment of a trade). Because you didn't understood that initially, I clarified (even though I shouldn't have to, having posted this argument multiple times since 2006), that what I talk about are four criteria: the three mentioned before - future, first-round-picks, while being bad - and adding unprotected to have a clearer picture, because a protection that at some point converts the debt of a first-round pick into a second-rounder for example could be OK.
Your examples - and that is really funny after you say again and again that you know what I'm talking about - doesn't qualify for anything I said.
Swapping the no. 1 to the no. 3 and a player on the eve of the draft? Has nothing to do with future first-round picks of which you don't know the value yet and BTW, the Celtics came of a 61 win season when they traded down the Pistons pick in 1980. So that example is a fail on the two main criteria (future own and while being bad). Fail 1 in regard to the guideline.
The Irving trade: the Celtics are coming of being the no. 1 regular season team in 2017 and didn't even trade an own first round pick. Again. Fail 2.
The Celtics trading down on draft night this year. Not "future", not their "own", not "while being bad". Mega fail 3.
Miami in 2010: coming of a 47 win season and adding LeBron/Bosh and others. They traded those picks just to put themselves into a better cap situation, not because they needed to trade those picks to get LeBron. Not "while being bad". Fail 4.
Did you have other examples? But anyways, own, future and "while being bad" should be there, otherwise we are simply not talking about my guideline. Also accusing me of searching for examples for my argument (which I BTW didn't even do) is silly, when that guideline is a way to strategically rate trades when they are made and before you know whether they work out or not. That's exactly where I was going with that argument and I made that over and over again in the last 11 years since I joined this site.
So of course you can believe that a good GM doesn't behave according to this guideline, but please, please take the time to understand what it is even about before making comments that are besides the theme at hand.